Board says: “Residents decide”
At Tuesday’s meeting of the White River Township Board, the vast majority of the public sentiment was against putting the reorganization proposal before the voters in May. However, the board went in their own direction (see video of their positions below) and voted to place it on the ballot in May by a vote of 3-0 where the voters of Greenwood and White River Township will have a chance to approve or disapprove the resolution. For it to pass, both the majority of voters in Greenwood and in White River Township must vote for the proposal for it to pass. If either area votes “No” the reorganization plan fails.
There seemed to a fundamental misunderstanding by those urging the board vote to against the proposal: They thought that a “no” vote would kill the measure for the all time, but they are mistaken. In fact, if the board voted “no”, it would remain alive for potentially the next two years. First the Greenwood Council and the Board will have a year to consider and revise the proposal. If they do not act within the year, then the Reorganization Committee has another year to make changes to the proposal. Each legislative body then has another 30 days to take “positive” action for or against the proposal. If the legislative bodies do nothing the proposal becomes law without further action. (See IC 36-1.5-4-23.5) for more details. At least one person thought that those attending did understand and simply wanted the board to make two “no” votes on the proposal, which would finally put the question to rest.
The meeting stared with the board discussing the same amendments at last evenings Greenwood Common Council were discussed at tonight’s meeting of the White River Township Board. First up is a group of amendments, “Group .A” that do not have a material affect the content. Included are changes such as clearing up some wording, such as changing AG to agriculture and adding an index. The second group or “Group B” includes more substantive changes.
Group A passed unanimously. There are three amendments in Group B: 1) A title change to reflect the new effective date. 2) Grandfather existing building and zoning standards for those who have obtained their permits before the effective date of November 10, 2010. 3) The effective date of the reorganization will be November 10, 2010. All new council members will be seated on that day. However, services will not be in effect until January 1, 2011. The intent of this change is to allow the new council members to have an opportunity to participate in the development of the budget for 2011.
The public reaction
Those attending were vocal, polite, and essentially united. They wanted to the board to vote “no” on placing the issue on the ballot in May. Public comments included a question on the number of council members. The total will be 11 with four from the current White River Township. The mayor will prepare the budget, but the council must make the final approval. The expectation is that the mayor would begin working on the budget soon after the election, should it pass. It is the expressed intent of the mayor and the council to “unofficially” include winners of the primary and any others running in the general election in the early, public, budget discussion. However, there would not be a final vote on the election until the new council members are seated.
The town of Bargersville also sent a letter to the White River Township Board. The unsigned letter was read by consultant Mike Shaver and included a number of assertions by the town, including that the entire process was conducted illegally.
View the comments of members John Ebert and Mark Messick here. Mr. Acker made no comments on his vote.
Mr. Ebert’s comments:
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10 Responses to “Board says: “Residents decide””
Absurd that there were no more questions about
Budget-Low balled
Tax rate of 19th out of 20 cities
Fire merger
Public Saftey
Parks-WRT has many neighborhood parks not funded by JC.
Just to name a few.
WRT was not well represented by the board on this issue. In a Republic form of government the people give there representative the oppottunity to vote the people but that did not happen we will have to vote with our feet
Comment made on December 23rd, 2009 at 9:05 amThe WRT board (and Greenwood) did the right thing, i. e., place the whole merger question before the voting public. I’ve been close to this process but was unaware that the process COULD have proceeded without a vote but with inaction instead. Voting is a superior outcome to any defacto annexation which could have happened with the merger law, or with any regular annexation process where you are just S.O.L. re fighting it unless you have many dollars to devote to it.
What this whole thing is really about is political representation. Without a merger, a WRT property owner is just a leaf in the wind regarding any important economic and land use issues that arise in coming years. There may be some additional taxes to be paid, but I look at them as an insurance premium that permits me to shape the economic/land development and public services of WRT by virtue of my power in the voting booth.
Comment made on December 23rd, 2009 at 8:05 pmGlad to hear the both the WRT board and the City Council approved the proposal so it can be on the May ballot. Lots of conflicting data out there now, but a good part of it may be resolved between now and May. For WRT residents the issue is whether the services offered by a merger are worth the increase in property taxes. Let the voters decide.
Comment made on December 23rd, 2009 at 8:44 pmWhy can’t any member of the Greenwood Council, Bargersville Council and White River Township put a comparative analysis of the benefits and services that we don’t have currently that Greenwood or Bargersville would provide to the citizens of White River Township which would justify a 20% increase in taxes to merge with either city. All the politician have been doing since the merger has been put forward is to dance around key issues and not provide the citizens of White River Township with the important information that is needed before voting on those issues. So all Board members please step up to the plate and provide this information to us and I’m sure the citizens of White River Township will make a sound decision.
Comment made on December 25th, 2009 at 9:06 amLOOKS LIKE WE NEED THREE REPLACEMENTS FOR THE WHITE RIVER TWP. BOARD. LET THEM GO TO GREENWOOD . WHO WANTS 20% INCREASE IN TAXES. LET US ALONE !
NAME ONE POSITIVE REASON FOR GREENWOOD ?
Comment made on December 25th, 2009 at 2:58 pmRonald, that’s not what the WRT board approved the merger committee for – they approved them looking at merging with Greenwood. Nothing else was in scope.
Best thing Bargersville could do in early 2010 is make their own proposal to take over WRT. Competing proposals would be a good thing.
Comment made on December 31st, 2009 at 12:23 pmWhen a person moved to WRT some 40 years in the past, there was no way to anticipate what that area would become over time. A great number of WRT homes have septic systems, not city sewers; owners have paid for many years for private trash collection, septic pumping, snow removal, tree trimming etc. Fire and police protection coverage has been hit-and-miss depending on geographic specifics. School construction and student assignments have been oddly implemented in some cases (e.g. children assigned to an older school, switched to a newer school, and back again within a 3 year span).
Voters should consider not just the increased taxation, but what it means to be governed by an entire new set of policies; residents of rural and semi-rural neighborhoods are often hesitant to undergo the new scrutiny of a new URBAN-style governance. Namely, life “in town” is quite different in many respects. Residents must review why they moved to WRT in the first place and evaluate the proposed changes in governance.
Examples of impacts:
a. Will WRT sewers be mandatory ? At what cost in taxes ? At what cost for each septic system owner ? How paid for ?
b. Will WRT snow removal be implemented uniformly (and completely) ?
c. Will WRT roads be patrolled by police as consistently as in “downtown” Greenwood ?
d. Will WRT get more fire stations ? More hydrants ? Police sub-station(s) ?
e. Will more police and fire coverage mean lower homeowner’s insurance rates or an increase due to urbanization ?
f. Will Greenwood increase access to public transportation for WRT residents ?
g. Are there changes regarding outbuildings, swimming pools, external structures, TV antennas, and animals etc. for WRT homes because they will now be “in town” ?
There are many considerations to review before May. I suppose a voter whose preferences are not met will then have to consider voting “with their feet” – if the results are too onerous, it may be necessary to move away from WRT.
Comment made on January 6th, 2010 at 11:19 amDon: You may not have anticipated that 40 years ago, but if you’ve lived here 40 years and liked things as they were, why did you not speak out against the sheer number of homes being built?
I have never understood the number of long-term residents of WRT who want no part of city living, but who have allowed a city to be built in WRT.
Comment made on January 11th, 2010 at 2:43 pmJoe, A lot of homes in an area is NOT a city. Having a council or board decide what’s best for you and the community, and putting regulations in place to decide what you CAN and CAN’T do with or on the property YOU paid for and continue to pay taxes on. Why would anyone want someone else telling them how they will live on THEIR OWN PROPERTY?
Comment made on January 16th, 2010 at 3:04 pmYou’re right Mike, WRT is not just a lot of homes. It’s a lot of businesses as well. If you asked an outside visitor with no knowledge to tell you exactly where Greenwood stopped and WRT started, they would struggle.
We all get told how to live on our property, whether or not you’re living in WRT or Greenwood.
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